Sangaree Connection

Vandalism, theft, drugs, graffiti… (February)

February 26, 2007 at 2:24 pm · Filed under Reported Crime

These posts are now archived for February. If you would like to post an incident please go to the March posting.

Thank you.

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Anonymous said,

February 15, 2007 @ 4:01 pm

Monday afternoon my husbands cell phone was stolen by the children from school that were passing around red flyers advertising landscaping work. We have since gotten the cell phone back, after calling the school and tracking down the students that were passing out the flyers, but it is a true shame that you drop something in your yard and then these teenagers passing out flyers instead of having the respect to knock on the door and ask if the cell phone belonged to us decided to take it and send hateful, and rude text messages to the phone numbers in the phone. The school was no help until I told them I would have to call the police. Then one of their students decided to call and return the phone. After being a victim of a theft by the students that are to provide the lawn care service I would strongly advice not to use them. I’ve lived in Sangaree for almost two years. My husband and I worked very hard to save money and find a good neighborhood to raise our children and it’s just a shame when things like this happen.
Anonymous said,

February 15, 2007 @ 5:34 pm

I am wondering if Sheriff Wayne DeWitt has passed his prime as our sheriff and feels he can weather any or all complaints about poor patrol response.

Perhaps we need to become more engaged in our local political process and elect someone who is more accountable to the citizens of Berkeley County than DeWitt who gained his entry into the BCSD during th 1970’s as a political favor to his father.

There are dedicated deputies within his department, but many in leadership positions are political hires and have very poor work records in law enforcement.

I see way too many deputies today operating like DeWitt is a “do as I say, not as I do” mentality is needs to go before Berkeley County become a haven to the criminals being pushed out of Charleston and Dorchester counties.
Anonymous said,

February 15, 2007 @ 6:37 pm

We have some new neighbors that are making our life miserable. The two new families have teenage sons who blast our neighborhood with rap music containing vulgar language every night. Since they have moved in, our house has been egged and our mailbox smashed. One of the boys gets in his parent’s vehicles when they are not home and races around the neighborhood not stopping at the stop signs. I have called the Berkeley County Sheriff’s Department, sometimes they come, sometimes they do not. I have been made to feel like a crimmal by one of the dispatchers for asking questions about why these kids are left unsupervised and why they are not in school. He told me it was none of their business if these kids were in school or not. When I go outside in our front yard the make obscene gestures at me and actually growl at me. When my children go outside to play basketball, they get in a parked vehicle and blow the horn every time they try to make a shot. My husband tried to talk to the father of this boy and got absolutely no where!!! It doesn’t take long to figure out why most of these kids act they way they do; just talk to their parents and you will see where the problem began. Two nights ago my husband had to work late, these boys know what his vehicle looks like and figured out he was not home. All of a sudden it sounded like someone was breaking our front door in. When I finally went to the door they were gone. Then we heard a loud noise hit the side of house house. Who knows what they will do next!!! We all need to band together or they will take over our neighborhoods!
Anonymous said,

February 15, 2007 @ 9:40 pm

I live in Indian woods and my family has been a victim of crime. One evening my car was broken into and a car charger and a CD case full of CD’s was taken. Recently, at Christmas time, our large snowman/globe yard decoration was slashed. It is obvious that the criminal are young teenagers. I am always amazed to see these young kids walking the streets of the neighborhood so late at night. Where are there parents???????
D. Murray said,

February 15, 2007 @ 11:48 pm

I have had to call the sheriff on 4 occasions. One was for vandals in an empty building, and the other 3 were for hit and runs I witnessed. Only on one occasion did the police actually show up, and they arrested the vandals. One time the dispatcher said since it was a hit and run it would be a waste of time to respond. Maybe it is time for a change in the sheriffs office. Sangree is a large community, which pays a lot in taxes, we deserve better service from OUR sheriffs department.
parrothead32233 said,

February 16, 2007 @ 12:58 am

Although I haven’t been an ACTUAL victim of violence, I feel its only a matter of time. I live right across the street from the new Sangaree library and it has been vandalized twice. My neighbor has had “GOB” spray painted on her property, and I have also seen the same graffiti in many other places in Sangaree. This is frightening since I have two small children who are growing up around these same delinquent kids. I agree that the police response time is a joke. They don’t come when you call them, and IF they do, it normally takes 2 hours or more. For all the money we have to pay in taxes, we should get much better service from Berkeley County’s “finest.”
Anonymous said,

February 16, 2007 @ 12:16 pm

To the person who wrote about the neighbors who are terrorizing you and your family….I understand what you mean! Please read my account…I accidently wrote it under the heading “Crime Watch Meeting”.
Anonymous said,

February 16, 2007 @ 12:47 pm

It was an interesting meeting last night. I didn’t realize the problem was so wide spread. I am glad others have experienced and feel like I do about this issue of crime in our neighborhoods. Hopefully it will cause people to get out of their houses and look around and speak out against it.

The biggest problem I can see is parents do not know where and or what their kids are doing. I take my dogs out early in the morning and in the evening and we walk up and down the parkway. At all hours of the day I see teenage kids coming out of the neighborhoods, the woods and from around houses. What are these kids doing out at 4:30 in the morning except up to no good. If I see them they why don’t the police see them. I normally see about six or seven cop cars in a row racing each other down the parkway going about 80 mile per hour with no lights on. If they are responding to a call then why aren’t their lights on? If they are just hurrying to get the donuts then slow down.

I also have seen the graffiti on the fences and the roads and the stop signs. It does nothing except trash the neighborhoods and emboldens this kids to do more mischief.

When I come home from work in the afternoon there are always 5 - 10 kids that block the entry way to my development so you have to go off the road to get around them. I see it and I also know that the cops see it too because several of my neighbors are police officers for the various communities. Since they have a badge why don’t they tell these kids to move on? Rather they seem to put the blinders on and drive around them too. I live across from a little park and on weekends there are gangs of teeneagers that congregate in this park. They push and shove each other and fight and also stand out on the street and block traffic. I know my police neighbors see them too but they say nothing to them to have them move on. Seems like the off-duty cops don’t want to get involved. I hate to say something to the kids for fear of retaliation because they aren’t bothering my property yet…

Two years ago we had a rash of vandalism in this little park. I watched while the kids broke the limbs off of the trees and strip the bark off of them. I didn’t say anything when they threw trash all around the park because I felt sure if I seen it then the kids parents must see it too. This went on until they came across the street and started to damage my trees and pick my flowers. At that point I hollered at the kids then marched over and knocked on all of the neighbors doors and asked them if they knew what their kids were doing? The reply to me was that they didn’t know the kids were doing that. It was soon after that point that this vandalism stopped. Maybe it is time that a group of neighbors band together and go door to door and ask the other neighbors “Do you know what your kids are doing?”

I realize the cops are strapped for people but they need to utilize their assets more effectively. From last night I gathered that they send several police cars to domestics on the other side of the county. Why don’t just send two cars then if they get in over their head ask for assistant from other police units and the state police?

The local police do not know the neighborhoods. They do not know how the house numbering works in my neighborhood. So to familiarize them with our neighborhoods why don’t our local Barney Fife’s one day each weekend get out of their police cars and walk a neighborhood and go door to door and introduce themselves and learn about each neighborhood. Find out what the problems are. Recognize the house numbers. Meet the members of the community. If there are no spare patrol cars to do it then get the top cops out there to do it. Get Sheriff Wayne DeWitt out there if you have to, to walk the neighborhoods so he is aware of the problems.

I was glad that our Councel member Cathy was there at the meeting last night but I was sort of disillusioned with her. Even though it wasn’t her meeting she should have posted herself up front. She should have had a notepad with her and taken notes to take back to council. Her comment that after each council meeting there is an open forum where we as a community can bring up issues was a lame excuse for her not doing her job. As a member of council she should take back our concerns and then when they have the meeting next week she can tell council that she want so bring forth new business and then she should be the one that should introduce our concerns. We elected her so she should work for us. It is about time these elected officials work for us. It is her duty to take the concerns of her constituents and address these to the council. If she would bring these forward then it would be assured to become public record and action must be taken to remedy these.

The curfew idea is wonderful. I fully support it. I would also like to see an anti-loitering ordinance passed. This would keep the kids from congregating in gangs and give the local cops more ammo to attack the problems. Also the idea of having the teenage offenders paraded out there in the community with sign, is a good idea too but will it acheive what we want or will it soon be a orange badge of courage and the kids use it against us. Would it became a means for these youths to recognize how many there really are and their strengths?
Walter said,

February 16, 2007 @ 12:59 pm

I live in Pebble Creek and I have had a few encounters. I know the police department is streched thin and we all know the 911 center is broken. I have reported a gun shot by a neighbor that I visually saw and confronted and had to wait 30 minutes for police, while waiting I had called and received no answer and then called again and was put on hold.
Another time I physically chased a 14 and 11 year old in a stolen moving truck after they were speeding thru the neighborhood and then took my stop sign out, I chased them with my car the whole time while on with the dispatch until they drove by the pond and almost took out an elderly couple and drove behind the houses, I caught both and held them until police came.
I have had several others encounters. A kid from cobblestone tried to light my daughters hair on fire, I drove from Isle of Palms to Sangaree and got to the kids house before the deputy did, once he talked to the parents inside he came out and didn’t want to fill out a report, I insisted he did and I also told him I wanted to speak to the parents because the police officer didn’t think it was a big deal because it could have been worse and he was playing. I have had my house egg’d, same kid from cobblestone was caught by me at 4am in the morning, they were washing the house and cleaning my yard after the police showed up and the parents were contacted. I have also had drug smoking in the open, the police showed up 20 minutes later to have them scatter.
I suggest anyone with complaints make an appointment to talk to Sheriff Dewitt, I did and I know he informed me of alot of the stuff at the meeting last night. Always get a report. I know alot of ladies were complaining of vandals and things going on, I would be glad to give anyone who needs help or assitance my number, I have grown up in the Philadelphia neighborhoods and I am not afraid to confront anyone if they are not suppose to be there or doing something they shouldn’t. I have no respect for anyone who destroys property, stealing or harres people. If anyone wants to contact me please do my email is wdrenkhahn@sc.rr.com I am not as young as I use to be but at 34 I still can handle my own and don’t mind chasing down the punks and getting it taken care of.
Lisa said,

February 16, 2007 @ 2:17 pm

I was there at the meeting last night hoping to see the community wanting to come together and work with the police to help make Sangaree a better place to live. What I saw for the first 45 minutes or so was people wanting to gripe and complain about their individual experiences. They were attacking the officers that were there to help us. The patrolmen are not omnipresent. They need our eyes and our awareness to help them. That is what Crime Watch is for. These men and women wear their badge and risk their lives everyday to serve their community and get very little in return. They don’t do it for the money. It is not up to them to hire more officers, they are at the mercy of our government representatives just like we are. They deserve our respect and cooperation.

I think though that the problem lies with kids being unsupervised and not taught to respect other peoples property by their parents. I asked the question last night of Office Jackson of when does the majority of these crimes take place? I didn’t get an answer. A study needs to be done to determiine how many kids are running around after school while their parents are at work. The curfew is a great idea but it won’t help with the crimes that occur during the day. May be going into the schools and presenting programs to kids showing them the consequences of vandalism and how it affects the entire community would help. Even possibly getting our elected officials on council and our Sangaree Advisory Committee to look at possibly building a community center and providing some kind of afterschool program and activities for these kids to get them off the streets. Has the school board looked at starting school later and getting out later in the day so the kids won’t be left unsupervised as long? There are many proactive things that can be done to help prevent crime, just finding and prosecuting the perpetrators is not enough.

It would also be helpful to know what neighborhoods all of these crimes reported on this page are taking place in. That way we are more aware of what is going on in our area and what to look out for. If you see the individuals that you suspect of these crimes, give us descriptions like approximate ages, skin and hair color, styles of dress, etc. Just so we can keep an eye on them.

I had to leave the meeting last night at 8:45 because I have a family to take care of, so I’m sure I missed a lot of good information once the meeting finally got focused on the purpose. It would be helpful if the information given could be posted for us to see.

I am proud to say that my son has just been hired as a Police office in the upstate and will be starting at the Police Academy next month. He faces a very big challenge. I hope he doesn’t get discouraged when he sees how unsupportive and critical some members of the community can be of their local law enforcement. I’m willing to help do my part in the Crime Watch. I hope everyone will pitch in and work together with our Sheriff’s Department to make things better.
Keith and Allyson said,

February 16, 2007 @ 2:40 pm

I am glad to see that there are a few here that are willing to step up to these kids and take care of their problems. Walter, I will go with you to confront these kids whenever I am available. I would be willing to guess that everyone posting here grew up with their neighbors correcting them and talking to their parents when we did what we shouldn’t have. As for the fear of retaliation… put a little fear in these kids and let them know who is boss. I have personally taken bikes, fishing poles, and other items kids had with them when I caught them doing wrong and have made them bring a parent to my house to get them back. Some parents are rude about this, but for the most part they appreciate someone letting them know what their kids are doing when out of their sight. Thankfully my children are not a part of this unruled, undisciplined group, but if they were, I would appreciate another adult doing whatever was necessary to let me know what was going on. A lot of people are fussing about the police and what we should be getting for the taxes we pay. I say take care of your own. If everyone took care of their own property we would not need the police. This is not meant to sound like vigilanty slap in the face justice as many took it to sound at the meeting last night, but instead a thought process that says take some responsibility for yourself and your property instead of trying to pass the buck off on the police and bad parents. I was very happy to see the turnout last night. Granted, the parents that needed to be there probably weren’t, and even our neighbors that we know care weren’t all there, but that is where all of us need to get out and talk to each other and find out where everyone stands. Of the 11 houses within eyesight of mine, we are all in contact with each other and know each other’s comings and goings. I know that unless none of my neighbors are home it would be very difficult for anyone to be around my house without someone noticing. In addition to the neighbors are the dogs which let you know when things aren’t right, and motion sensor lights. If I see something out of place: an unusual car parked somewhere, or kids out without an apparent purpose I go directly to them and find out what is going on. There have been multiple issues with speeding, drugs, profanity, music, and break-ins, all of which have been resolved by myself and other neighbors around. Kids will be kids, and we all did things when we were growing up that didn’t make sense, but when we got caught (by any adult) that was our behinds and we didn’t do it again. It takes a village to raise a child. Please, stop complaining and start acting. Instead of anonymous I will leave you with this contact information: Lowes48fan@comcast.net. Thank you to those that are willing to take this head on.
Anonymous said,

February 16, 2007 @ 2:45 pm

Just wondering……We have the Sangaree News letter that comes out telling us about the local communitee. Why can’t it coome out monthly and these crime reports be posted in there with all the details? It could also be used as a forum for police and hopefully our Neighborhood Watch associations as means of support and to generate interest in this.
Anonymous said,

February 16, 2007 @ 3:11 pm

I am glad to hear that we are finally going to get some help! I have lived in Sangaree for about 10 years now and have been watching the neighborhood fall apart. It is up to us residents to make our neighborhood what we want it to be but it is up to the BCSD to help us keep it a safe place to live. I will give credit I have seen more police cars in the last two weeks than I have ever seen in Sangaree! I live on Longstreet and I can say I know of 5 mailboxes that were smashed just from the KFC to the pond and this all occured in about a month. We do have many problems in the area… I myself have heard of many incidences. I will address the loud music myself I have been disturbed by this at 2am many many times by a vehicle that finds it amusing to drive as slow as possible with the music as loud as it will go! To no avail dispatchers do nothing about it due to the fact that I cannot give them the exact vehicle..well no because I am usually woke from a dead sleep by the awful noise! The mailboxes have all been smashed late night early morning hours, one of my neighbors is now on mailbox #3 in 3 months. I am a stay at home mother and yes I will say “I am nosey” but if I can help protect my neighbors then so be I will be watching and looking! Don’t leave anything out because I’m telling you if you do it will be gone someone will take it. Speeders.. sit at the pond you’ll make your quotas they never stop!!! Including the volunteers at C&B I watched two of them yesterday speeding and not just a small excessive speed… a dark colored Avalanche and a green colored Camaro… I think they were racing to see who could get there fastest! And as for drugs I have seen them being dealt have called BCSD only to be transferred to a voicemail in narcotics! Send and officer make these people aware that eyes are watching. I’ll be the first to say there are some young teen males both black and white that are involved down on Trenholm end closest to Beauregard, just be aware there are eyes looking so keep it up and you’ll end up behind bars. I myself am tired of all the bad stuff going on in these neighborhoods and I’ll be at the next meeting and I am willing to do whatever I can to make this neighborhood a safe and enjoyable place to live.
Anonymous said,

February 16, 2007 @ 3:19 pm

I hate to say this but I am tired of that old cliche “It takes a village to raise a kid”. It doesn’t take a village, it takes a good parent to raise a kid. One that takes an interest in their child’s life. One that provides him the guidance to teach the youngster right from wrong. One to teach him to respect himself so he will respect others. Kids are like dogs. When they go outside they need to be kept on a short leash so they don’t bite the neighbor and poop on his yard. If a parent starts at a young age and teaches the kids the morals and respect then they will grow up good and you will not have to worry when they go out the door. You know they will make good decisions. But if the parent’s were never taught this how can you expect them to pass this on to the kids.

I heard the comment last night from a lady that she works late and so when she gets home she didn’t know where her children were at. Maybe you should make an effort to find out where your kids were at. If that means changing jobs so you can be home then so be it.

We need to get out of the mode we need to take care of our own property. That is the problem.. We need to take care of our own property and the neighbor’s. We need to be aware of the surroundings. If something is happening across the street or down at the end of the block then we need to be nosey and find out. We need to take the hood out of neighborhood and put the neighbor back into it. It is time to open the blinds and stick our noses out those doors and meet our neighbors and unite with them.
keith and allyson said,

February 16, 2007 @ 3:48 pm

As for the Avalanche chasing the camaro; I was at the pond when they came flying through. The avalanche had lights and siren going trying to stop the camaro. While the camaro went around the pond and out too fast (he obviously didn’t know how to drive) the truck followed in a fast, but safe manner. The siren faded off, and I never heard them stop… hopefully they got the guy in the camaro for whatever he did.

As for the other guy saying it doesn’t take a village… you are right, it is a parent’s responsibility to teach their kids and monitor them closely, however, if they are not going to do this, then someone needs to. You use the analogy of kids are like dogs, and I agree, but when a stray dog is pooping in your yard you don’t just stand there and watch, you run them off. Maybe you can see this point with the kids.
Anonymous said,

February 16, 2007 @ 4:12 pm

You like my dog analogy…but maybe if you get your little bitch fix then she wouldn’t come into heat and you wouldn’t have the strays sniffing around your doorstep. The same works with kids. if kids are taught at an early age right from wrong and to respect others then they wouldn’t be inticed by these outsiders. If the dealers and the gangs find it is hard to get a foothold in a neighborhood they will move on to easier pickings.

The problem in Sangaree is we are quickly losing the neighborhoods. This is because we are moving from where individuals own the homes with pride in ownership. (Where the owner buys the home and lives in it.) Now these same homes are being bought up by slum lords who are looking for a quick buck. They rent these homes to these individuals who only live in the community for a year and move on. The owners and tenants have no ties to the community so they don’t care what is happening. Many of these families aren’t being screened and so they are driving down the communities. Their kids are running wild, their homes are kept up and so we are starting to see the consequences.
Anonymous said,

February 16, 2007 @ 5:04 pm

It all comes down to the parents. Kids these days have no discipline. I got my a@$ tore up if I got out of line. The more I acted up the worse I got it. Parents should start being held responsible for their child’s actions.
Anonymous said,

February 16, 2007 @ 5:22 pm

umm as for the avalanche and the camaro they were both located at C&B fire department right soon after they flew around the pond, they are both volunteers there and they were trying to get to the station to respond to a call, however they really didn’t need to be going in excess speeds through a residential neighborhood like they were, they received several complaints about these two vehicles yesterday as several residents noticed them. However all is good and well no ones children nor any ducks were injured in their rush.
Anonymous said,

February 16, 2007 @ 5:23 pm

Sangaree is not the only area targeted by “uncontrolled” kids. I live near Ridge Church and have kids from Sangaree constantly coming thru my yard from the woods behind it. I came home one night to have several standing in my driveway having a great pot party. I was alone but once I retrived my partner, a 22, it didn’t take long for them to leave my property even though they ignored my first request. I have had my car windows smashed and items stolen from my property so instead of constantly complaining to a police department who never responds, I posted no tresspassing signs. Once I have warned the kids verbally , then a second warning will not come. If the police can’t clean up the area then maybe stronger measures need to be shown by owners. I am not condoning shooting kids or any physical harm, just using a good old fashioned warning system works.
Daron said,

February 16, 2007 @ 5:38 pm

I attended the meeting last night and was surprised by the turnout. As in most cases, a lot of people wanted to express their complaints about who does and doesn’t do their job.

However, I think the point was made that everyone is tired of the criminal activity within our neighborhood. I’ve lived in Sangaree for a number of years – long before most of the “newer�? parts were built.

I’ve seen the playground at Beauregard Rd and Pierre Ct go to waste as well as the pool. My friends and I would play soccer at the pond almost everyday through our middle and high school years.

Sure most of us weren’t angels but kids are going to be mischievous. The fact is that I was disciplined if I acted up. I took my share of whippings and I didn’t turn out to be a murderer, drug addict or molester.

Parents need to start excepting their responsibility as a caregiver and an adult. If the parents don’t want to do it then the teachers should be allowed to educate our future on these issues.

I’m not going to sit here and go on and on about the things that have happened in our neighborhood.

We know there is a problem as individuals – its time to address and correct the problems together.

See you at the next meeting.

Daron

Kershaw Rd
Anonymous said,

February 16, 2007 @ 5:40 pm

so how quickly can we actually get this crime watch committee into action “Operation take back Sangaree” needs to be put in force quickly. As well don’t be too forth right with informations as most people know these criminals, vandals, thiefs, hoodlums whatever you want to call them will be reading these posts as well and attempting to further intimidate individuals. We all understand a working parent however you need to find an interest in what and where your children are otherwise you will know right where they are and we tax payers will be providing for them while they are locked up in JAIL! Come on neighbors get out and become a friend to those around you, stop all the crime. Lets not be victims and statistics lets get the crooks off “OUR” streets. Don’t wait for another meeting get the ball rolling right now. Open your blinds, look out your door, be aware of who and what doesn’t belong. If you think it suspicious, report it. If you take a step thats one step closer to solving the problems. We can’t desolve all issues but we can put a close to many. My eyes and blinds and doors are open and I’m watching. Crooks get out of my space I will not tolerate your ignorance!!!
Jeff said,

February 16, 2007 @ 5:50 pm

I was at the meeting last night and I am confused about how this “Crime Watch” thingey is going to transpire. They said they would like to do it by development. Well how do you find out who is interested in your development? Talking with my neighbors they seem oblivious to what transpired. Many had said they knew nothing about the two meetings. So how do you find interested people in your development? Maybe having a section in this blog where people from each development can locate each other would be nice. That way we can find common grounds before the next meeting in a month would help. That way you could find block captains and unite efforts rather than going into these meetings blind.
JackDonlan said,

February 16, 2007 @ 5:51 pm

Hello everybody! I was pleased at the turnout last night. We need to get involved and organized. We need to have a crime watch in every subdivision in Sangaree. I live in Cobblestone and I am going to talk to the new President of our HOA about getting one for us. We cannot be the parents of these thugs. But we can make them feel very unwelcome on the streets. I had some fine Americans come from the Cove and break into my wife’s car a couple of years ago. I have been on edge since then. We need to go to the County Council meetings and tell them that we do need more men (and women) in blue patrolling our streets. There are not enough of them. I would like to orangize a meeting with some people from the Cove, CObblestone and Pebble Creek to get together to start a crime watch with the 3 neighboorhoods. We have to take back our streets and make these thugs feel unwelcome.
Walter said,

February 16, 2007 @ 5:52 pm

I hope the thugs, criminals and the likes are reading this because this will let them know we are watching and won’t put up with it. They are more then welcomed to come to my house and introduce themselves to me, for the most part the problems have thinned out by me because I did confront them that is the first step, look and talk with neighbors and if you see something call someone. I meant it if someone needs help or assistance whether your male, female, single, married, young or old please email me and I will be glad to give you my number so we can meet and talk and give the information you need to be able to reach me. wdrenkhahn@sc.rr.com
Daron said,

February 16, 2007 @ 6:15 pm

I am curious as to why many people are posting as “ANONYMOUS”.

Also, it does no good to start a crime watch for just the Cove, Cobblestone, Pebble Creek or wherever. All areas of Sangaree need to be involved - not just a few sections.

If this is going to work EVERYBODY needs to be involved. Otherwise they will just leave your little slice of heaven and come into mine. I assure you that they don’t want to do that.

First we need to elect some neighbors to be our committe chairperson.

From there we need to elect block captains. For example, someone will be chosen to be a block captain for the area around the pond. Other people involed in the Crimewatch around this area will report to the block captain and the block captain will report to the committee chairperson.

They will then report Crime Prevention Specialist.

Patience… I know everyone is getting excited …
Jeff said,

February 16, 2007 @ 6:43 pm

I didn’t get a chance to look at the crime statistics that had last night. Is there a way for them to be posted on either this blog or the Sangaree home page so we can see where and what kind of crimes are being committed. Am curious what type of crimes are being committed and what times they are being committed that the police are reponding to in our areas. Did they provide a breakdown of who is committing them (i.e. kids/adults, white/black). This could aid us in how we develope a Crime Watch Program.
JackDonlan said,

February 16, 2007 @ 6:44 pm

Daron, I agree that all parts of Sangaree need to organize. Not just my part. I am concerned about my part right now. 1 block captain for our 3 subdivisions, another block captain for the next 3 etc. Lets get started!
JackDonlan said,

February 16, 2007 @ 6:45 pm

Baron, I agree that all Sangaree needs to get organized. I am calling to action for my subidivisions and the two that border it. Get your area organized!
JackDonlan said,

February 16, 2007 @ 6:47 pm

Can we organize another meeting solely for crimewatch purposes sooner than the next Sangaree special tax district? For the sole purposes of organizing crime watch groups. If we are organized, we will be in a better shape to take a bite out of crime.
Anonymous said,

February 16, 2007 @ 6:48 pm

In response to the Avalanche and the Camaro…

I assume these vehicles belong to volunteer firefighters and should have the appropriate lights/sirens.

These are only courtesy lights and by law give them no special privledges.

Personnel using these devices may not exceed the speed limit, ignore stop signs, or violate other traffic laws.
Jeff said,

February 16, 2007 @ 6:57 pm

I am curious about something else that wasn’t brought up last night. Since we have the Elementary and middle school at the end of the parkway, the daycare at the other end and the church school on the frontage road by I-26, couldn’t we get Drug Free/School Zones posted in the areas. This would put more meat in crime fighting because the penalties are stiffer if there are drug free zones designated around schools? This would encompass alot of our neighborhoods.
Daron said,

February 16, 2007 @ 6:58 pm

Jack I get what you are saying. I just hope you understand my point as well. I am with you on scheduling another meeting. Even if its just a group of us sitting outside the library.
keith and allyson said,

February 16, 2007 @ 7:03 pm

If those of you interested will email me your information (name, address, etc) I will set up a map for the next meeting. Things would be a lot easier if we knew who was available and where they lived. My email address is: Lowes48fan@comcast.net. If you would rather meet in person, mail me and we can set it up. Thank you to all interested in taking care of this problem.
Keith and Ally said,

February 16, 2007 @ 7:10 pm

Also, is anyone else interested in moving the next meeting up. I don’t understand why we should wait a month when there is so much interest now.
Daron said,

February 16, 2007 @ 7:19 pm

Sorry. I meant accepting not excepting in my first post. haha.

Daron
JackDonlan said,

February 16, 2007 @ 7:21 pm

Daron, I surely get what you are saying.
JackDonlan said,

February 16, 2007 @ 7:22 pm

Daron, I surely get what you are saying. Keith and ally, we do need to post a meeting time and place and try to get as many as possible there from ALL OVER Sangaree. The sooner, the better.
Keith and Ally said,

February 16, 2007 @ 7:27 pm

I would think a week is enough notice… why not next Thursday? I just don’t want to wait and have all these people lose interest. We need to keep moving while there is some momentum behind this. My biggest concern is that we have this well in place before the weather turns warm and the kids are out of school with nothing but idle time on their hands. Thank you to those that have already sent me your name and address. I am building the map as your information comes in. Send it to: Lowes48fan@comcast.net
Daron said,

February 16, 2007 @ 7:37 pm

Could you cc: us everyone that has contacted you w their info so far?

Daron
Jennifer said,

February 16, 2007 @ 8:19 pm

I live in Hampton Trace, and am buying my home. I was unable to attend the meeting last night, but am more than happy to do whatever is needed to help my neighbors. Just tell me what I can do to help, b/c like most of you I’m tired of it. On halloween this past year, my husband,daughter, and I worked very hard carving pumpkins, and had them out for about two weeks and woke up one morning and they were smashed down the street. kids will be kids, but come on, I was up until midnight and then up and on my way to work at 7am, so you tell me who lets their kids out between 12am and 7am on a school night??? My 5 year old was heartbroken her pumpkins were gone. I was heartbroken b/c she was. Tell me what I can do to help make this the place I dreamed it would be for my family when I took out the loan and signed the papers. This is my investment just like many of yours and I want to protect it. jbagbey@sc.rr.com
Keith and Ally said,

February 16, 2007 @ 8:39 pm

Jennifer, shoot me an email with your address and I will add you to the map. Lowes48fan@comcast.net
Lisa said,

February 16, 2007 @ 8:40 pm

Would there be a problem with moving these meetings to a Friday or Saturday night? My husband works a varied schedule and is not always home on Thursday evenings which means I have to bring my 11 year old daughter with me to meetings and this is hard on her with homework and studying to do. I have no one to leave her with and definitely do not want to leave her at home alone. I want to help but have to put her first.
Keith and Ally said,

February 16, 2007 @ 8:44 pm

Lisa,
This is on the main page. Not sure if it will help you or not.

IMPORTANT- Meeting This Sunday
Our representative, Cathy Davis has placed us on the agenda to speak at the County Council meeting on February 26; however, we need to elect one or two spokespeople to be placed on the agenda to speak officially at the meeting. This is good news, as we will be scheduled to speak and can in an organized fashion be heard by all our County representatives.

We are meeting this Sunday (February 18) from 2:30-4 p.m. to elect spokesperson/s at the Palmetto Land Baptist Church, Sangaree Parkway.
Jennifer said,

February 16, 2007 @ 9:20 pm

I totally agree with Jeff about it being a school/drug free zone. Tiny Tots Tech is a great daycare and they teach K5-2nd grade there as well, so in my opion they are more than just a daycare they are a school as well. I personally haven’t seen drug dealing in my area, but I know it’s everywhere. If we could get it a drug free/school zone from one end of the parkway to other, who knows maybe when they start getting caught and get the heavier charge they’ll take their crap somewhere else. Does anyone know how we could get that accombished?? Is there a petion that we could take around and have signed, I know the owner of Tiny Tots Tech pretty well, I’ll be more than happy to talk to them when I pick up my daughter, and I’ll be more than happy to walk my area with a petion if one is needed.
JackDonlan said,

February 16, 2007 @ 10:24 pm

I will try to make the meeting Sunday afternoon. I would be curious to know more about this school zone with drugs and how that works. Is it a bigger crime/stiffer penalties if near a school? Would like to know more.
Daron said,

February 16, 2007 @ 11:40 pm

For those of you interested in the Drug Free Zone:

The Drug Free Zone can be any specific location like a school, playground, neighborhood, etc.

This works pretty much like a crime watch/COP.

Just because an area is declared a drug free zone does not mean the police will “man” these areas. The community must be involved.

The following was taken from http://www.stopdrugs.org/drugfreezone.html

Creating a Drug Free Zone

What is a Drug Free Zone?

A Drug Free Zone is any specific location in the community, especially an area where children congregate, that the citizens perceive as being a place where drug trafficking or alcohol availability problems exist, and the citizens decide to take action.

Typically, communities have targeted schools and school yards, parks and playgrounds, public housing developments, and specific neighborhoods or city blocks.

Why Start a Drug Free Zone?

Across the nation, communities experience a variety of problems associated with drug and alcohol:
Deteriorating neighborhoods
Graffiti
Drug dealing
Loss of public facilities, such as parks and playgrounds
Cars speeding up and down streets
Violence
Gun shots
Gang activity
Prostitution
Increased crime
Abundance of liquor outlets in a concentrated area
Over-concentration of alcohol & tobacco billboard advertising
Citizens have realized that if these problems are to be eliminated “someone” must do something about it. The entire community–schools, treatment providers, local government, the judicial system, and community leaders–must join forces to clean up the neighborhood and create a better, safer, and healthier place to live. Law enforcement can’t do it alone.

What are some Possible Strategies?

Work with law enforcement in starting a community policing program.
Put up signs declaring the targeted area a Drug Free Zone.
Hold neighborhood rallies or marches and invite the press.
Ask your local police to conduct sweeps of the targeted area and to arrest drug dealers.
Ask to have vehicles towed.
Meet with judges to tell them of your concerns and request their cooperation in prosecuting drug cases in your area.
Meet with elected officials to get support for your Drug Free Zone efforts.
Ask city officials to add street lights, corner lights, and parking lot lights; and install more traffic signs, stop lights, speed bumps, or cross walks where needed.
Work with law enforcement or city officials to have public inspectors (i.e., housing, fire, sanitation) check conditions of suspected crack houses for code violations — as with Oak- land Police Department’s Beat Health Unit’s SMART Team approach.
Meet with municipal government officials to find out how they can help you, such as with nuisance abatement.
Use small claims court against landlords who have created a nuisance in the neighborhood by allowing tenants to use their property for drug dealing.
Report suspicious activity to the police and maintain a log, including date and time of activity.
Ask store owners and residents to sign petitions for implementing parking restrictions.
Organize a take-back-the-park effort to include special events such as Family Picnic Days.
Start recreation, sports, or other alternative programs for youth.
Make arrangements with telephone companies to prevent incoming calls at local pay phones used for drug dealing transactions.
Ask that sprinklers in parks and playgrounds be turned on where and when dealers congregate.
Organize or expand neighborhood or block watch programs.
Ask the zoning administration office not to grant liquor licenses to new applicants in areas where there are too many liquor outlets.
Work with local city officials to regulate or even ban alcohol and tobacco billboard advertising in your community.
What Makes a Drug Free Zone Work?

The key to Drug Free Zones is community residents banding together to form partnerships with law enforcement, schools, treatment programs, local government, businesses, and community organizations. These partnerships create a powerful force to carry out a successful Drug Free Zone campaign. In short, drug free zones work because citizens work as a group to:
Take charge and decide what action is needed.
Form liaisons with government.
Convince government to listen and respond to the community’s needs.
Target specific problem areas.
Develop realistic goals.
Monitor their progress.
Celebrate their successes!
Questions in Starting a Drug Free Zone

The following are questions which typically arise during the initial stages of developing a Drug Free Zone.

Are there laws pertaining to Drug Free Zones?

Yes. For example, the California Health and Safety Code Section 11353.1 enhances penalties for controlled substance violations within 1,000 feet of school grounds or buildings, or upon the grounds of facilities open for use by minors. (See also California Health and Safety Code Sections 11353.5, 11353.6, 11353.7, 11380 and 11380.1.) Similar provisions are provided for in federal law; see United States Code Annotated (USCA), Title 21 Food and Drugs, Section 860a.

Have your law enforcement representative discuss these laws as well as local ordinances which may apply to Drug Free Zones. (Such as laws pertaining to the sale of drug paraphernalia, the restriction on the number of liquor outlets, etc.)
Shouldn’t law enforcement take charge in starting a Drug Free Zone?

Not necessarily. Although many Drug Free Zone efforts have been initiated by law enforcement, effective Drug Free Zones must involve a police-community partnership. Many programs have also been started by a group of concerned citizens going to their police and asking for help.
Will starting a Drug Free Zone just move the problem to another neighborhood or area?

Yes, it could. Those neighborhoods will also need to make the drug dealers uncomfortable and unwelcome. Be prepared to assist other neighborhoods by sharing what you’ve learned.
Who will provide the resources to start a Drug Free Zone?

Most Drug Free Zone strategies involve no financial cost, just people’s time, energy, and commitment, and maybe reallocating some resources. However, where costs do come into play, check with local government agencies to see what resources or services may be available. Community fund raisers may also be helpful.
Things To Remember

Designate a lead person or coordinator for your Drug Free Zone effort.
Involve key people – don’t forget to include youth and youth-serving organizations as part of your group.
Meet often.
Conduct a community-needs assessment.
Work with the local media.
Create and maintain partnerships.
Maintain a written record of your efforts.
Conduct an ongoing evaluation of your efforts.
Recognize individual and group achievements.
Celebrate Your Success!

SOUTH CAROLINA

Estimated number of clandestine labs seized by the state or in conjunction with other law enforcement agencies in the last five years: 1

Type of lab encountered and seized by estimated percentage:

Methamphetamine/Amphetamine: 100%

Cocaine: n/a

PCP: n/a

LSD: n/a

Methcathinone: n/a

MDA: n/a

Other: n/a

The South Carolina Enforcement Division is the state agency that has primary responsibility for enforcing the narcotics statutes. Enforcement within the state is generalized to cover as many drug related offenses as possible with an emphasis toward street drugs and dealers. The Narcotics Division of the South Carolina Enforcement Division does not maintain any team(s) trained specifically to investigate lab cases alone or on a permanent basis, instead a small number of trained agents, certified by the DEA, are retained to seize a lab when required. South Carolina maintains a small lab team made up of personnel drawn from the state forensic lab to function as technical support for the narcotics units that perform the actual seizures. The state will seek DEA participation in the early stages of an investigation for additional support and to help defer clean up costs. South Carolina will impound real property for forfeiture purposes, but will not seize property if contaminated by the lab wastes because of safety and liability issues. During the mid 1980’s, South Carolina had serious problems with methamphetamine lab activity, however, the state was able to successfully prosecute and convict a large number of manufacturers. Most of the offenders involved have served prison sentences and have now been released. While labs are relatively rare in South Carolina at the present, state intelligence indicates that eventually the number will increase.

South Carolina does not monitor the sale or transfer of precursor chemicals but will enforce possession violations through other statutory provisions within their codes.

Manufacturing

Prohibits any person to manufacture, distribute, dispense, or possess with intent to manufacture, distribute, or dispense, a controlled substance (including counterfeit substances)

Penalty - Felony *

* Schedule I drugs classified as a narcotic drug (including LSD) - felony

Schedule I, II, III any other controlled substance - misdemeanor

1st offense - not more than five (5) years plus a $ 5,000 fine, or both

2nd offense - not more than ten (10) years plus a $ 10,000 fine, or both

3rd offense - not less than five (5) years - not more than twenty (20) years plus a

$ 20,000 fine, or both

Schedule IV - misdemeanor

1st offense not more than three (3) years plus a $ 3,000 fine, or both

2nd offense - sentence shall be twice the first offense

Schedule V - misdemeanor

1st offense not more than one (1) year plus a $ 1,000 fine, or both

2nd offense - sentence shall be twice the first offense

Imprisonment -

1st offense not more than fifteen (15) years plus fine ($ 25,000), or both

2nd offense not less than five (5) years - not more than thirty (30) years plus fine ($ 50,000), or both

3rd offense not less than fifteen (15) years - not more than thirty (30) years plus fine ($ 50,000), or both

Fine - $ 25,000 - $ 50,000

Prohibits any person who knowingly sells, manufactures, delivers, or brings into the state, or provides financial assistance or otherwise aids, abets, or conspires to sell, manufacture, deliver, or bring into this state.

Trafficking in Cocaine:

Penalty - Felony

Imprisonment -

10 - 28 g - not less than three (3) years - not more than ten (10) years

28 - 100 g - not less than seven (7) years - not more than twenty-five (25) years

100 - 200 g - not less than twenty-five (25) years

200 - 400 g - not less than twenty-five (25) years

400 g+ - not less than twenty-five (25) years - not more than thirty (30) years

Fine - $ 10,000 - $ 200,000

Trafficking in morphine, opium, salt, isomer, or salt of an isomer or any mixture containing any of these substance:

Penalty - Felony

Imprisonment - 4 - 14 g - not less than seven (7) years - not more than

twenty-five (25) years

14 g - mandatory twenty-five (25) years

28 g - not less than twenty-five (25) years - not more than forty (40) years

Fine - $ 50,000 - $ 200,000

Trafficking in Methaqualone:

Penalty - Felony

Imprisonment -

15 - 150 g - not less than one (1) year - not more than ten (10) years

150 - 1500 g - mandatory twenty-five (25) years

150 - 1500 kilograms - mandatory twenty-five (25) years

1500 kilograms plus - not less than twenty-five (25) years - not more than thirty (30) years

Fine - $ 10,000 - $ 200,000

Average Sentence Time

Information Unavailable

Precursor Chemicals

The State of South Carolina does not monitor the sale or transfer of precursor chemicals.

Statistical Data

None Available

For Further Information Contact

Lt. Art Myers

South Carolina Enforcement Division

4400 Broad River Rd.

Columbia, SC 29212

(803) 896 - 7011

(803) 737 - 9000 (24hrs)

(803) 896 - 7192 Fax
Dan said,

February 17, 2007 @ 12:25 am

The idea of a community center is a great idea. Ridge Bapt has a youth building with ping pong tables, pool tables,tv games and other intertainment for kids on Sunday and Wednesdays at 6:00pm to 8:00pm.
Jeff said,

February 17, 2007 @ 11:33 am

I think a neighborhood watch is a great idea but one of my concerns is are we getting the cart before the horse. Shouldn’t our first
objective be is to get a commitment from the Sheriff’s department to commit one deputy per shift as a dedicated deputy to man the Sangaree sub station? We can have all of the neighborhood watches we want but if there is no dedicated person there to respond then it will not work properly. Our calls will still be prioritized and put on the back burners because there will be no one there to respond. Why it is working over at places like Goose creek and Hanahan is because they have police officers dedicated to the area. Our plan should be to have the Sheriff commit one officer to us full time then he will be the point of contact and we would be assured for a responce. This way the officer can know the area, the people and the problem area and that alone will deter some of the crime.So why don’t we push to have the police man the sub station fulltime along with starting a watch program?
Keith and Ally said,

February 17, 2007 @ 3:59 pm

Jeff, this will not happen unless we pay extra for an off duty officer, and then he will be limited as to what he can do. If we do the neighborhood watch correctly there will not be a need for a police officer to hover over the neighborhood. I am not trying to fuss and fight with you, but please stop looking for the police to solve these problems. We have taken care of everything that has come up (music, speeding, drugs, vandals) on our street with the effort of a couple neighbors. Not once have we had to call the police out, and all of these problems are now solved. Before someone chimes in with “these kids scare me” or “I am a woman” pay attention to what I am saying. I am not calling for vigilanty slap in the face justice, but instead for everyone to take care of your property and those around you. Some of these kids are good sized and full of fire, but when three grown men step up to them and let them know in a calm manner that if they continue on this path around our homes they will not end up very well off… they tend to listen. There are a lot more important things I would like the police to be doing than babysitting kids you can handle yourself.

Anyone that would like to put their information on the map so we can see who is where and what kind of coverage we can expect please email me at Lowes48fan@comcast.net

Thank you to everyone that has already sent me your info.

On a sidenote. As you read above, we have our block under control so I guess I could just lay off and let everyone else handle their streets. Keep this in mind when you think I am harsh or stern… maybe I really do care.
Anonymous said,

February 18, 2007 @ 3:57 am

I attended the meeting. I was bothered by the lack of accomplishing something to start the process. Yes, we do have a broken system. We have some officers that do not care what we say. I have called Berkeley County over 12 times in 6 months. I have kids from Pebble Creek, Spring Lake Village, and Cobblestone coming into the fields to play football and cursing and trashing the field up. They are from 5 years old to 18 years old. The older kids are showing up in the field with guns in their waistbands intimidating kids and parents in the area. The sheriff’s department has been called. Dispatch wants descriptions then the deputy’s show up 30 minutes later and the kids are gone. Call us back is the comments given by the deputy.

One said Don’t Call us, we can’t do anything anyway it will only make the kid mad and come back and vandalize your property. So don’t complain let them do whatever they want. This was a Corporal for BCSD. I have asked for reports to be filed when kids have been caught setting fires behind neighbor’s homes. The sheriff’s department did not take a report just took the kid home. 30 minutes later his brother was back inbetween Cobblestone and Pebble Creek setting fires along the ditches.

When are we going to do something about this along with the speeding in our neighborhoods. Why can’t they put in speed bumps like they are in Charleston County? On Beauregard Road, Longstreet, the Pond Area, and Sangaree Parkway Near the Churches where kids are present.

We have two people that own Mustangs that speed up and down our streets. Nothing is ever done? Until a child or a family member is killed by one of these people.
Keith and Ally said,

February 18, 2007 @ 5:14 pm

Sounds to me like you are well aware of the problems on your block. Are there no men around you that are willing to step up and address these kids and speeders face to face? Again, I hear all these complaints and no solutions. Email me more information as to where you live and how to contact you and we can get together. I do not have a problem with coming over there whenever this is going on and taking care of it myself, though I shouldn’t have to police the entire neighborhood. If there are others around you that see these things going on and are not happy, band together and fix it. If you wish, email me your info to: Lowes48fan@comcast.net
Anonymous said,

February 18, 2007 @ 9:05 pm

Hi Daron, no big mystery why there are a lot of anonymous posts here. Ahve you looked at HOW we can post lately to these blogs. It goves you three options.
1)Google/Blogger member
2)Other
3)Anonymous

Since I am not a google/blog member and do not intend to join as it asks. And Other seems to do do nothing when you click it. I am Anonymous and need little effort to post here as such.
Lisa said,

February 19, 2007 @ 3:05 pm

One thing I have noticed as I drive around Sangaree at night is the lack of street lights. They are only on one side of the streets. The houses on the opposite sides are in the dark unless they have their own lights. Green spaces behind some of the houses where the drainage ditches are have no lights and this is a perfect place for kids to sneak around without being seen. I personally have motion sensor lighting on the front and back of my house. More lighting would be somewhat of a deterrant to some crimes. We need to push for more lighting.
Keith and Ally said,

February 19, 2007 @ 4:46 pm

My understanding is that each Sangaree resident pays a portion of taxes towards the street lights, however not everyone can benefit from them… like you said, there aren’t many. I am also hearing that a lot of the crime is happening during the day which would make the lighting point void. If anyone has contacts with Lowes or Home Depot I am willing to bet either or both of them would provide information on security lighting, cameras, etc at our meetings. Another thing to pay attention to is the dogs in the neighborhood. Most of them only carry on when something is out of the ordinary… maybe we should start looking around when they bark.
Daron said,

February 19, 2007 @ 6:19 pm

I post as other…

Just type your name in the box provided.

Sorry I missed the meeting Sunday. I had to work.
Anonymous said,

February 19, 2007 @ 6:43 pm

I agree with Lisa when it comes to street lighting. I live over at Lyons Cove and our development is dark at night. The street lights are few and far between. We pay about $4.00 every month on our electric bill to maintain the street lighting. I wouldn’t mind paying a little more if they would double what they have. The only street lighting we have is one light in the center of every cul-de sac. There is no lighting on Hedgeway and so our neighborhoods are completely dark except for the occasional homeowners pole light that is on. Even though alot of crime is during the day the addition of more lighting at night will deter alot and also aide the citizens out there on the Crime Watch. I wonder who we need to talk to so that we can get more lighting for our neighborhood?
Anonymous said,

February 19, 2007 @ 6:49 pm

I agree with Lisa and the person from Lyons Cove. I live over at Trader’s Station and our area is dark too at night the addition of a few more street lights will make the area safer. The parkway is well lit but when your get into some of these developments it gets pretty dark. If it is lit it will make outsiders more visibile and also provide an aounce more of prevention.
Anonymous said,

February 19, 2007 @ 7:06 pm

I noticed last night at 1am on my way home from work that most of the street lights are either:
A) Not working
B) are as bright as a candle
C) serving as a billboard for yard sale signs.

Daron
Jeff said,

February 19, 2007 @ 7:39 pm

Besides instituting a Crime Watch and hopefully a curfew why don’t we look into an Operation Midnight program. I found the following info from Charleston PD concerning the program:

OPERATION MIDNIGHT
In response to crimes committed by and against juveniles The Charleston Police Department launched the program “Operation Midnight” in 1993.
This program is a plan to keep children and young teens off the street between 12am and 6am. It is a partnership between the police and parents. The parents are asked to register their children (under 18 years of age) with “Operation Midnight”. If officers find a youth on the street during the times the program is activated and the child is registered, the parents are contacted and the child is taken home. It is a crime prevention program that has shown a great effect so far.

The link was:

http://www.ci.charleston.sc.us/dept/content.aspx?nid=228
Jeff said,

February 19, 2007 @ 7:42 pm

A copy of the Operation Midnight form sent to the police is found at this link:

http://www.ci.charleston.sc.us/shared/docs/0/operation%20midnight%2006.pdf
Jeff said,

February 19, 2007 @ 7:50 pm

The Charleston police also has this pamphlet on their site concerning crime prevention. The part about graffiti removal was interesting. Wondering if Berkeley County has something like this that we can call to have it removed from the area.

The pamphlet is:

http://www.ci.charleston.sc.us/shared/docs/0/booklet%201-3-05.doc
Ric Fender said,

February 19, 2007 @ 9:20 pm

Ric Fender of Highland Village Sangaree
02-19-2007
rcfender63@aol.com

As a home owner in Sangaree for 16 years I am glad to see the community working together to make it safer. My concern is that just as the Sangaree Home Owners Association from the 90’s It will only last a short time & become less about looking out for our neighbors and more about gripping about them. It seems to already be starting. What I see on this blog is a lot of gripping about the way people raise their children and their political opinions (mostly about Wayne Dewitt who I think has done a great job). And not so much about what we can do to stop and prevent crime in the area. I thought golf balls, baseballs Frisbees etc. over a fence is child’s play not a crime. To keep the balls and Frisbees shows a lack of respect for their property. Why then should you expect them to respect yours. When a ball or a Frisbee or any other child’s toy come’s over my fence I throw it back over for them If I catch them climbing the fence I chuckle and remember when I was young and in good enough shape to climb a fence for a ball. That to me seems like what a good neighbor should do. It would be great if all we had to do was worry about a ball over the fence. If we push the kid’s away from doing things like playing ball in the back yard or the green spaces in the area then we are pushing them away where they cannot be seen and this is when the real problem start’s. When I bought my home in Sangaree I realized that the community was family oriented and that I would hear and see children playing and hanging out together. Perhaps we should focus on keeping the crime away not our neighbors and their children.
Walter said,

February 19, 2007 @ 9:48 pm

Those that talk about the Pebble Creek I know who you are talking about as he was the one with my daughter, I have talked to his parents and it didn’t do very much, the youngest is not suppose to be in Pebble Creek. PLease contact me at wdrenkhahn@sc.rr.com and let me know your info I would be glad to help youand anyone else out, kids with guns in their wasteband is crazy, I don’t mind finding out what is going on, I can almost bet I have delt with probably 75% of the ones your talking about and don’t having a problem dealing with them somemore. THis goes for all the women and older people needing some guidance and help, I don’t mind at all. PLease feel free to contact me and I will give you my cell phone and meet and talk and see what we can do until this crime watch is in full effect. In time this will be corrected until then it will have to be handled accordingly.
Keith and Ally said,

February 19, 2007 @ 9:50 pm

Ric, I could not agree with you more. The kids around here have called me “Mr. Keith” since day one, and I don’t hesitate to take them an extra fishing pole to the pond, or they come and help my wife and I in the yard. I said the other day it takes a village and some dispute that, but you are correct in that kids will be kids and adults should be adults. Crime (ie: speeding, drugs, theft) is one thing I have no tolerance for around here, and there is a need for police intervention on such issues, however, there is a need for adults (parents or not) to not forget that these are children we are dealing with and what they really need is some guidance. I hope you stay involved with the community and keep a heads up for projects that would benefit the kids (ie: the library, parks, the pond). It does take a village…
Keith and Ally said,

February 19, 2007 @ 9:51 pm

Walter, you can call on me anytime you need.
Walter said,

February 19, 2007 @ 9:55 pm

Ric alot of these concerns are not jumping fences or throwing balls, they are thefts, robberies, drugs, guns and vandals. It is a lack of respect for property and others period which does fall on the parents for the most part. I wish all I had to worry about was a frisbee or ball coming over my fence, I would be that lucky, but explain that to my neighbor whos house was destroyed inside and her car radio stolen and ignition strip and pulled because they tried to hot wire the car in the garage. Kids being kids as they pass a joint around as they play ball in day light? Pour lighter fluid on my daughters hands and try and light it, all in fun? I don’t think any post on here have reflected a ball or frisbee unless I missed them.
Anonymous said,

February 20, 2007 @ 12:15 am

This comment is in response to RIC FENDER: I must say that you have the same mindset as the mother whose boys continually batted or drove with a golfclub the hardballs over our fence. Both you and she ( the mother ) appear incapable of comprehending the danger of those boys’ actions. The next time it happens ( and I pray it doesn’t ) I have been advised to file a police report….and I will.
Anonymous said,

February 20, 2007 @ 11:39 am

First of all I wish to remain anonymous by choice not because I don’t want you my neighbors to know who I am , but I don’t know who else is reading this. I can see where Keith is coming from where he says you have to go out and confront these kids. I do that all the time I go out and tell i will tell the kids to behave themselves or I will go over and tell mama on them. Nothing is worse than a mama’s wrath. That works 99 percent of the time. Like I said 99 percent of the time. But I hate to tell you this Keith evidently you don’t have that 1 percent that we had in our neighborhood. I had one bad seed in our neighborhood that you did not confront. He was a little hooligan who was in and out of Juvie hall on several occasions. You watched him close but kept your distance from him and his friends, because this kid would retaliate if you crossed him up. He and his friends had no qualms about breaking into your house and vandalizing it. The cops knew all about him. They too didn’t know what to do with him. On many occasions they brought him back to his parents who were no better than he was.

How brazen was he and his friends? I have seen it first hand. Two of his buddies were breaking into the neighbors cars one morning when I took the dogs out. I seen one kid carry a radio he ripped out of my neighbors truck and carry it ten feet from me into the vacant lot next door and bust it open with a rock right in front of me. He was oblivious that I was there. Then he and his friend walk past me and went to the next door neighbor’s trucks and cars and try to get into them. Called the cops and they came 45 minutes later. Much to late for them to do anything. Luckily this kid has since moved last year and so the neighborhood is pretty quiet. So you have to be wary who you are confronting.

As far as the lady who is getting hit by the balls. I hate to tell you this but I kind of am siding towards the lady. Maybe she is just wants to relax in her back yard. Sure kids are kids. Balls do come over the fences. But then it is the parent’s responsibility to tell the kids to listen you are disturbing the neighbors why don’t you play something else or move it to a different location. That is what good neighbors do. They look out for each other. Surely there is another friends house they can play at or they could go to the pond, park, church whatever. The parent’s could go with them and make it an family outing. This is what families do. They look out for their own.
Keith and Ally said,

February 20, 2007 @ 1:34 pm

1 vs 99 are odds only a fool would take. Good thing that kid is gone.

I have taken the sign in sheet from Thursdays meeting and am putting everyone on a map so we can all see what kind of coverage we have. Anyone posting here that was not at the meeting, you are welcome to send me your information (name, address, phone number) via email at Lowes48fan@comcast.net

I will have the map at the next meeting where hopefully we will build a more organized system. There are not 120 people using this blog, so as good as it is for those of us in the know, it is not for everyone. I am afraid that the whole process will just fade out if we are not able to keep those interested involved. I am not looking for a chain of command type structure, but there has to be someone or some way to pass on information and updates that benefits everyone. In my opinion, the only reason Cathy Davis got us on the agenda and there are currently more BCSD patrols is because of the showing at the meeting, the library, and the fact that the media was covering it. The squeaky wheel does get the oil, so we need to implement change while we have all eyes and ears on our cause. If it is street lights the majority wants, how do we get them. How about the signs at Sunday’s meeting, do the residents need to chip in, or can that come out of our taxes? Are we not spooling off another roll of red tape sending two people to speak on behalf of Sangaree residents when we already have five that are there to do that? And what exactly can we expect Dan and Suzette to say at the meeting? I have no problem going up there and standing behind them if I know where they stand. Personally I think we need to meet before they go to county council so we atleast know what they are going to address. I know they have a lot of homework to do… if you need my help, just ask, but there were so many things thrown around Sunday that I don’t know what will be said on the 26th.

As I said on Sunday, I am not the one to lead this, additionally, I do not want a group so stringent that I am afraid they will come after me next. We moved to Sangaree instead of the high dollar cookie cutter homes because we are outside city limits and have good sized yards with more than the one token tree next to the street lamp in the front yard. Property value is onet thing, and pride in ownership is another. What do you think all this media coverage is going to do for both? It is time for action.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions… let’s not go that route.
Keith and Ally said,

February 20, 2007 @ 1:47 pm

In my fight to be proactive I am reporting two vehicles to keep an eye out for in your neighborhood.

A green Ford Escort station wagon with usually a white girl and boy and a couple black boys. The seem to come into the neighborhood via Beauregard and hang out at the pond where they smoke pot. Just looking at them I am guessing them to be between 15-18 years old. BCSD has run them off from the pond several times.

Another is a silver Mitsubishi (I believe)four door usually with a white girl and black boy. They too have been run off from the pond, and tend to go half way down Ruffin Rd where I am guessing they are getting their drugs from a white short haired 18 year old that has been in all kinds of trouble. Sunday this boy and girl went to Kangaroo and bought rolling papers and a blunt. I told them not to bring that crap into the neighborhood, but they did any way. I talked to the boy, who is 18, and told him that was his last strike. Both of the boys know me and know where I stand on things going on around my house.

I don’t doubt someone will be upset at me putting this here. Notice I did not use names, tag numbers, or addresses. I don’t doubt these kids could read this or be told about it, but when they think about it they will know what kind of man I am and take this as advice and a warning. I post it here so when I run them off my side of the neighborhood and they end up on your side you will have a heads up.
Keith and Ally said,

February 20, 2007 @ 1:56 pm

I received this this morning:

FYI. You can pass this around if you would like but this is the info I got from one of the officers at the scene. A vehicle ran into the guard rail on the frontage road by the pawn shop on that bad curve. I arrived at the scene a few minutes after the accident. People at the scene told me the 3 young men fled from the scene running through the woods toward Sangaree Parkway. The car was badly damaged and was lying on one side. After the officers arrived they cut a whole in the roof, the roof was almost completely flattened, only to find some cocaine that was left behind. This was at 1230 last night. Another case that shows you what is going on in our area.
Walter said,

February 20, 2007 @ 1:57 pm

Dan and Suzette will be talking about more police for Berkeley County land mass. I know this won’t happen over night as it will take at least a fiscial year to fix it I am sure but it gets it heard and started. THe crime watch meeting would be the next step but like you say Keith I don’t think a majority of the people at the meeting use the blog or internet so we need to make sure the next meeting that we pass out like a newsletter with web addresses, contact numbers, info and such. I don’t mind listing my info for someone to call, contact or visit me, I will go where ever I am needed to address, talk or help in anyway. Your right most of the time you can talk with these kids and get everything worked out and an understanding, you do have the ones who don’t listen or think they are bigger or badder these can be addressed as well and I don’t have a problem with helping out in that situation. One helpful tip is for residents to get a camera with a zoom lens see something and your afraid of retaliation then take a few pictures from inside the house or yard of something being done that shouldn’t remember to turn flash off at night,lol. Call the police and tell them what you saw and that you have pictures and want a police officer but not to come right to your house out of fear. I think alot of neighboors don’t know about what is being said. As for the lights not working or not bright enough you should be able to contact the tax district directly and request it to be looked at because of safety reasons and your paying the taxes for that light and it isn’t being utilized like it should be.
Anonymous said,

February 20, 2007 @ 3:29 pm

I, like you Keith moved to Sangaree because it is a nice bedroom community. I too am afraid that all of this negative publicity that we are receiveing will hurt the community and drive down property values. I could not make it to last Sunday’s meeting so I don’t know what is on the agenda to be discussed. I do think that one of the main issues that needs to be discussed is the lack of police protection. From the statistics I have found there is one police officer for every 1407 people in Berkeley County. This doesn’t sound like much until you start to look at the figures. If your get rid of the municipalities like Goose Creek, Hanahan, Moncks Corner and Bouneau (sp) this number will come down. Also if you look at this figure you will see that it says one cop for every 1407 people that means the Tramway/Sangaree/Tall Pines areas should have at least seven officers assigned to our area cause there are at least 10,000+ people in this area. Maybe they need to allocate their officers a little wiser to where they are covering. Also some of the statistics they have shown for the number of arrests/case they have made since 1983 are appauling. It only reinforces what our citizens in Sangaree are saying. It almost seems true that the cops are picking and choosing and blowing off the rest. I found these stats at http://www.crimestopper-sc.org/support/stats.htm. I also went to the County Councel and reviewed the agenda for the past six months and noticed that there was no mention of a lack of police. It seems there was no problem until we had a high visibility case like the library and so it now everybody wants to jump on the band wagon. I hope with the addition of more officers, neighborhood Watches and better neighborhood relations that we can rid this negative stigma that has been attached to Sangaree. It is a nice community to live in and it is home.
Yvonne said,

February 20, 2007 @ 5:24 pm

It’s taken me a little over 45min to read all of the comments posted some good some bad indifferent, everyones point is taken.

We here in the Sangaree area need to take a more active role in our living conditions.

We are home owners or even renters all aren’t bad; but we pay to live comfortable lives interferance free.

When i come home or my husband we want to know that were as secure as possible in our home and it’s surroundings.

Daron I live on kershaw my husband is the Locksmith I’m sure most of you have seen Berkley Locksmiths Vans.

I don’t know what we can do some folks have ready made answers some of us need more time and creativity, but whatever my household can do to aid in bringing some peace to this community count us in.

I will e-mail my info to lowes48
I am sad to say that I’m not comfortable in my home when my husband is not here I do peek out windows, and recheck the doors and that’s just not what “at home” should feel like.

And we have at least two officers in my neighborhood one on Kershaw and the other in my backyard on St.Josephs.

I tend to feel a little better when their cars are visible, but they work and aren’t their 24hrs.
Concerned!!!!! said,

February 20, 2007 @ 5:45 pm

My home was broken into on saturday night febuary 17th around 9:30 pm/ i live in Cobblestone Ridge. When i arrived home around 12:00pm the officers came back to let me know this had happened and i asked if they had fingerprinted the screen door the theives had to open before they could kick the backdoor in. The officers told me they were juveniles and that they could do absolutley nothing. Just seeme to me that the police could do a little more than walk through my house and leave the doors open for 2 hours until i got home. what is our justice system coming to? i will have my own means of security if they return. PROMISED!!!!
Keith and Ally said,

February 20, 2007 @ 5:52 pm

“Concerned”, if you would, please send me you name and address to Lowes48fan@comcast.net. We are building a list of concerned citizens that want to be involved in taking care of these problems. Also, did the police give you a report or case number? Was there mention of anyone contacting you in the future about the break in? If they knew they were juveniles, did they know in particular who they were? Did any of your neighbors know any details? Send me whatever information you wish to the above email. I am sorry for what happen. Let this be your motivation for getting involved in the crime watch we are setting up.
Lisa said,

February 20, 2007 @ 6:24 pm

I am curious to know how many residents from each area/neighborhood were at the meeting and/or have shown an interest in the Crime Watch. Keith and Allyson, do you have any numbers based on the list that was passed around at the meeting and on the e-mails you have received thus far? I was at the meeting and signed the list, but just in case you need it I live in Stratford Downs on Paddock Way. I’m worried we will not have enough residents at the next meeting to elect a block captain.
Keith and Ally said,

February 20, 2007 @ 6:56 pm

Here is the rundown for everyone:

Spring Lake Village 24 (13 from Beauregard alone)

Indian Woods 8

Victoria Place / Hampton Trace 17

Stratford Downs/ Blackberry Farms 1

Pebble Creek 4

Cobblestone Ridge 9 (7 from Millbrook Rd)

The Cove 0

Raintree 0

Carriage Crossing 4

Woodbridge Village 1

Prestwick 4

Partridge Creek 5

Traders Station 3

Sangaree Gardens / Lyons Cove 4

Highland Village 3

Tabby Creek 1

Village Green 5

The addresses have been marked on a map of Sangaree that I will have at the next meeting. There were quite a few people at the last meeting, but there if far from enough coverage. Please, everyone get with your neighbors and let them know what is going on.
Jeff said,

February 20, 2007 @ 8:23 pm

Keith, quick question… when you talk about having the map at the next meeting are you talking about the15th of March or Saturday???
Lisa said,

February 20, 2007 @ 9:32 pm

It appears to me that each section needs to have individual meetings to elect block captains. How can a block captain be elected if only 1 or none from a section is present? It doesn’t seem like we are at the point yet where we can do that. If I’m the only one from Stratford Downs interested in Crime Watch it will not work. I can’t police my whole neighborhood. I will try to get the word out if I can though.
Keith and Ally said,

February 20, 2007 @ 10:40 pm

Jeff, I will have it Saturday. It is a little crude still, but will give us an idea of who is where.

Lisa, I would think if people don’t come to the meeting with the whole neighborhood they probably wouldn’t come to one area specific, but if you want to try, go for it. Maybe you can get some neighbors together then all come to the meeting Saturday.

A few people have inquired about breaking up Sangaree into specific neighborhoods. In my opinion this would only dilute the effort and have us all working against each other instead of a combined effort for all of Sangaree. The way I understand it, once we have some reps from different areas and blocks we will be able to build a structure. You, Lisa and others with little or no support from your neighbors, have the task of letting those around you know what is going on. I, and others I am sure, are willing to help you get the word out through flyers, signs, etc. There are a few people in the same boat as you, and even worse some areas with no reps at all. Once I get the flyers from Frances about the upcoming Saturday meeting I plan on hitting the area with the least participation first. I will be in your area hopefully tomorrow.
Jeff said,

February 21, 2007 @ 11:34 am

Has anybody checked into the cost of installing your own street pole light from BEC? I see on their website that they will do that and tack the cost onto your electric bill. Why I ask is because this morning when I took my dogs out I just realized how dark it really is out on my street. With no lighting on the street it will limit how effective a crime watch can be because you can not see your property let alone the neighbors. The few street ights we have don’t even light up underneath the lights. If the cost isn’t too prohibitive I might see about investing in having BEC install a pole light in my yard.
Jeff said,

February 21, 2007 @ 11:58 am

I’m am curious about one thing about all these homes that are being broken into. Do they have a home security system installed? If so how well was the response time?
Anonymous said,

February 21, 2007 @ 9:31 pm

I am fully aware as with Keith and Allyson of the green Ford Escort! They are in the area ALL the time, they have a drug dealer which are teen boys themselves, they live on Trenholm the 100 block, they cut thru their backyard and go thru the houses to the pond area. I myself have actually seen the deal being made and called BCSD only to have them show up long after the deal has been made. There is also another dealer in the 700 block of Longstreet. As for the teen girl and boy walking the streets, they were at the gas station on Beauregard lastnight the girl was in front of me buying more papers and the boy was waiting outside around the back corner of the store. They after purchasing walked back up Beauregard. I have noticed an increase in patrols.
Keith and Ally said,

February 21, 2007 @ 9:58 pm

I have seen them also, and have spoken to them just last weekend. I have not seen them around my house since, but they are still in the neighborhood and a problem for everyone. Fortunately BCSD found the green escort and five “kids” at the pond, but all I saw happen was they were told to leave. As for the drug dealers, email me the addresses if you know them. I have no problem sitting outside their house and photographing anyone that shows up. I am well aware that we could be making incorrect assumptions, but I was taught ‘where there’s smoke, there’s fire’, and I would much rather be safe than sorry. My email is Lowes48fan@comcast.net. Thank you for looking out.
Lisa said,

February 22, 2007 @ 1:26 pm

Some of the officers at the crime watch meeting on the 6th said they would read this blog. I am curious to know if anyone from BCSD has read this. If so let us know.
Anonymous said,

February 22, 2007 @ 10:16 pm

To Walter…It IS a crime what the ball slamming neighbors have done to us. Read my original post which is posted under the “Older” posts. You would not like it one bit, I guarantee, if some punk batted a ball across your fence and it broke something of yours…or slammed you or one of your family members side the head. I am sure the boys have graduated to more sophisticated crimes.
Anonymous said,

February 23, 2007 @ 1:14 am

To me, child’s play is following the rules when you are playing. Child’s play should not involve trespassing into your neigbor’s yard to fetch a hard ball that you and your friend hit over there. I know for a fact that the lady pleaded repeatedly with the boys and the mother to STOP hitting the balls over her fence and climbing over her fence. The boys used profanity, and you could hear the disrespectful way they talked to their mother. I was over at my friend’s house on one occurrence. It’s just ironic that the mother decided to call the police when a frisbee was not returned. Too bad she’s not that interested in teaching her hoodlums how to be a good neighbor. Unfortunately those boys will grow up and be the same kind of adult neighbors that they are now. There is where the neighborhood is going. So please do not trivialize incidents reported on here that you don’t understand.
Anonymous said,

February 23, 2007 @ 5:19 am

Kids on Beauregard are back setting fires again in the ditches. The Mustangs continue to speed up and down Beauregard Rd. and Longstreet.

Could they suggest speed bumps in our neighborhoods as a part to stop the speeding with our road upgrades.

We need a Crime Watch, and Lights in the Easments that belong to Berkeley Electric Co-Ops. They should set up a light in these areas.

I do not agree that we should approach a vehicle with tinted windows with possible guns and drugs inside. This is inviting disaster. Call the Police.

If they would set some speed traps on Friday night and early in the morning on Monday or any weekday around 6 am-7:30am on Beauregard you will see what I mean about the drag strip complete with kids waiting for the Buses. 60 mph to 90 mph is too fast on any of our streets.
Jeff said,

February 23, 2007 @ 11:11 am

I contacted the Sangaree Special Tax District office and got this info from them concerning lighting in Sangaree:

Subdivision street lighting is provided by Berkeley Electric Coop. 553-5020 or

http://www.becsc.com/index.cfm then Customer Service then Service Request.
Chuck Chears, General Manager
Sangaree Special Tax District
347 Sangaree Parkway
Summerville, SC 29483
843-871-9720 Phone & Fax
Monica said,

February 27, 2007 @ 5:00 am

My home was broken into on Wednesday Feb 21st. I came home from the store and the bank and my front door was wide open and I could hear my husbands clock radio blaring from outside. I went in to check it out and couldn’t find anything missing. A lot of my DVD’s had been knocked off of the shelf and the radio was blaring. My husband later said that he thought they may have taken some of his beer. I called the police and an hour later I had to call again because they hadn’t showed up. About 45 minutes later they arrived. They didn’t finger print my door or anything. Just took my drivers license number and wrote down what I said on to a little note pad and gave me a card with a case number on it so I could pick up my police report at a later date. I have since changed my locks and installed heavy duty locks on all of my doors. It really bothered me that it took the police that long to get to me, I have two small children, what if someone would have been hiding in my closet!!! They could have shown up 1 hour and 45 minutes later to find my children and I dead!!! I do hope that these kids/teenagers/punks get caught asap so I can sleep better and not have to worry about someone breaking into my house while I’m asleep and hurting my children/my family.
Lisa said,

February 27, 2007 @ 3:53 pm

It would really help to know which neighborhoods or streets any crimes that are reported are on. I can understand not wanting to give your exact address. If the general location is known, someone may have some information that could help. It would also alert other residents to be on the lookout and be prepared.
Keith and Ally said,

February 27, 2007 @ 4:43 pm

I agree Lisa. Perhaps atleast a street name could help the few others using this blog to get the word out and help others in the area to keep a closer lookout. Updates from the pond area: The green escort has not been around since I last spoke to them, but now there is a burgandy mustang with the right fender torn up that likes to speed around the pond, Ruffin, and Longstreet. BCSD is aware of this vehicle, and will check him out when they see him.
Monica said,

February 27, 2007 @ 5:44 pm

I live inside Victoria Place subdivision with in Sangaree. I don’t feel comfortable with giving my house number or my exact street. By narrowing it down to my area, this should give people with in Victoria Place heads up to be watching for kids hanging around during the day and night. My house was broken into sometime between 12PM and 2PM.
Keith and Ally said,

February 27, 2007 @ 7:01 pm

Monica, if you would like, email me you contact info so we can add you to the list and keep you in the loop. This goes also for anyone just now on this blog.

Lowes48fan@comcast.net
Gale said,

March 1, 2007 @ 3:41 am

I don’t think everyone on this webpage understands that we are not only having Juvie problems here. The kids, do mostly the stupid stuff and get caught in time.
We have a prowler in Indian Woods last summer, grown man around 40. W/M who wore a cap and loved to sit outside on porches and unscrew the lights.
We had two hispanic adult males, breaking into houses near the holidays. The left two plastic ties at the bottom of our bedroom window. Two people were home at the time of this attempted break in. This was during the day.
I personally would perfer that we have some video monitoring stationed on roads. I know we are putting up video surveilance around our home. We can check it from our computers at home or away. We can tape these thing and if anything goes on we can replay the tapes. Exactly like 7-11’s do.
If a member of crime watch noticed the suspects of either of these crimes who knows what would happen. If you didn’t “witness” the acts and you probably wont, not with adults anyway, you has a private citizen will not have any special powers to stop anyone, or question anyone for any reason. All you can do is call 911 and wait for someone to respond. Nothing wrong with that, and the moon might a line with the stars and the cops could get there in time.
I rather have video. I rather have signs to tell these people..This area is under video surveilance. If something goes “down” we then make copies of the suspects and put it online or on mailboxes and ask if anyone knows these people. Reward.
This is what high traffic area’s do to combat crime.
Just something to consider.
Anonymous said said,

July 23, 2007 @ 7:59 pm

Today I found a 1 & 3/4 liter empty Seagrams bottle at the pond, a brick, a club and a large beer can that had been flattened and something had been smoked in it. This wasn’t there yesterday. Are there parties going on there at night since school is out? Does anyone ever patrol over there and check things out?

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